08 Mustang GT exhaust

I am wanting to change my exhaust. Need some input from you guys. I just bought a new Bassani 46053 X-pipe that allows you to change just the delete tube or High flow cats. But now I am told that I should use long tube headers instead of tuned ones. I dont believe that this x pipe will work. If I go long tube which is the better way to go ceramic or stainless. I also am wondering is there a x pipe that works the same as the 46053 or is this something that I have to keep dropping for emissions. I hate to run high flows all the time takes from the growl. Let me know

I went from BBK shorty headers, bassani catted xpipe, and mac muffler to JBA titanium coated longtubes, JBA offroad h-pipe, and mac muffler. I got a better growl and 25 hp as measured on a before and after dyno. It passed emissions fine.

The xpipe you have now will NOT work with longtube headers unless you have them cut by a muffler shop. Also, an xpipe on the s197 platforms will give you more of a raspy sound compared to an h-pipe, although probably a extra horsepower or two or three. You have decide.

Stainless are cheaper, but ceramic coatings will keep the heat down.

John

Stay with the stainless it last longer.

I was told by bassani that the ceramic coating is really only good for the shorty/equal legnth headers due to the heat. That the long tube headers dont need it due to passing the heat down the long tube and they dont get nearly as hot. I want to keep the bassani mufflers, but want to add the loud growl. I have the bassani 46053 now which is nice because you only have to change the delete tube for the high flow cat for emmissiions. Maybe I will have them just cut mine. when I get the long tube. I was also wondering does it matter if I have the x pipe on before I install the diablo tuner. I bought the tuner and the jlt set up and was told that I needed the tuner for the x pipe. I want to install the Cai and tuner but dont know if i will have time to install the x pipe. Just dont want to make a mistake. I would think that the x pipe would not matter

Regarding adjusting tunes, it all comes down to airflow and fuel. On normally aspirated S197 cars, adjusting for fuel/air is only really necessary when you add a cold air kit, aftermarket throttle body or cmdp plates. Despite what some folks claim, changes in the exhaust setup don't usually affect air/fuel enough to require tune changes, but a tuning shop MAY have to adjust for o2 sensor issues (as happened to me).

I don't want to challenge Bassani but I completely disagree with their assessment regarding heat and longtube headers. Do a little research and draw your own conclusions.

One last thing. Xpipes and hpipes have distinctive differences in tone, and having cats or not affects it. When I first added the BBK shorties, Bassani xpipes and Mac mufflers, I did NOT have the cats installed and it sounded awful high pitched. When the cats were swapped in, the tone was wonderfully mellow and deep:
http://media.putfile.com/Comp-Stage-3-cams

John

So you are running the bassani x pipe with cats on the u tube clip. I was told that I would just have to replug the predator back in when I install the x pipe and shut off the rear o2 sensors if I run the straight pipe. R u still running shorty headers or long tube. I like the ceramic as well plus they look better for the shows

Droptop306 wrote:So you are running the bassani x pipe with cats on the u tube clip. I was told that I would just have to replug the predator back in when I install the x pipe and shut off the rear o2 sensors if I run the straight pipe. R u still running shorty headers or long tube. I like the ceramic as well plus they look better for the shows

Now I had a Predator before getting the XCAL, and I swear it would NOT allow me to adjust the 02 sensors. Maybe they've updated the software to allow that now. Hmmm...

In the YouTube clip I'm running BBK shorties, Bassani CATTED xpipe and Mac mufflers.

I've now switched out to JBA coated longtube headers, JBA offroad h-pipe and the same Mac mufflers. I had a dyno tune before and after and I GAINED 25 horsepower at the wheels and 24 ftlbs of torque with the longtubes. The sound is different but very old school for sure. Sorry, I don't have a clip.

John got to post video of new set up I love the sound of cams

Alright just got the quote from Jpc for ceramic Jba long tubes, and catted h pipe WOW. 2645.00 installed. My jaw hit the floor. Think I will install the x pipe I have now myself with the stock headers until I can round up that kind of money.

BS!!! Headers+catted h-pipe are $950 shipped from any sponsoring vendor over at modularfords.com (join up, leave message in 2005 tech section about "best deal on JBA headers and h-pipe" and a sponsor should chime in). My titanium coated longtubes and uncatted h-pipe were $750 shipped.

Call JJ at Woodbine Motorsports and he should be able to install everything for 5 hours labor (410-259-8737). Tell him John White sent you.

JPC's quote is way high. We're just talking headers, and installation, right? Nothing else getting done?

John

Hay John, will a 05/06 GT exhuast fit on a V6?

catback or x-h pipe back?...believe te cat back will....if one adds an exhaust hanger or two in the places that the v6 needs them (where the gt has them)......x/hpipe i heard at one point would...bu im not sure...id say no....but never would hurt to test fit.

Ya, I'm looking at going cat back dual

Ed, do you mean the muffler? Assuming the hangers are the same, I guess it wouldn't hurt to test fit it. But why not check out http://www.ninosport.com/Mustang/2005-07-Mustang-V6-Dual-Exit-Exhaust for some ideas?

John

Ya, I want to stick with the MAC because it has the best sound for a V6, but I don't want that stupid 1 into 2 crap, Mite as well leave the single, MAC has a dual kit, I didn't see it listed in that link, but at the same time, I'm way short in the funds department, and I cant spend allot, the wheels and tires have me well spent out, I'm going to bid on a pair of MAC axle backs on ebay,and I know the mufflers are the same, I will need the hangers for the left side though, and if I get them them I will need to get the stuff that goes between the cats and the mufflers
http://www.macperformance.com/store/category.cfm?SID=3&Category_ID=943
its the 4th one down, and it says its for either V8 or V6

Yes my estimate was for just the parts and labor. I am ordering the High flow cats though dont feel like messing with emmissions. they said that the motor mount had to be changed?

Droptop306 wrote:Yes my estimate was for just the parts and labor. I am ordering the High flow cats though dont feel like messing with emmissions. they said that the motor mount had to be changed?

Fitment of longtube headers on S197s has been problematic due to the tight quarters. Replacing the motor mounts lowers the engine just a bit, in fact, just enough to ensure that one of the headers doesn't bang into the frame when cornering or going over a bump--I think the passenger side is the worse side. My tubular k-member from BMR had integrated motor mounts, and that provided plenty of room down there.

Soooo, let's see:

JBA headers and catted h: $950
Prothane motor mounts: $140
6 hrs labor: $480

$1570

See, I just don't get it, unless JPC is getting the header package at retail cost, and that doesn't make any sense.

Are you also getting a tune or having them adjust the tune for 02 sensor issues????

John

I have the predator and the tune he said would only be 50.00 to adjust it. Here is what i got 667sjs JBA header 891.95, 6675shc H-pipe w/cats 449.95, 02 sensor extensions (2) 69.90, urethane engine mounts 159.99 labor 800.00, custom tune for long tube 50.00 and shop materials of 30.00 2645.05 with tax.

Personally, I have the utmost respect for JPC, their cars and the owner. They build some of the baddest ass Mustangs around and have proven themselves on the track time and time again. I'd love to work in that shop.

That being said, I think the price on your parts is high, the labor is high (10 hours???) but the tune sounds just right. it's your money, again, I'd shop around and sincerely think that if you got the parts yourself and went to Woodbine Motorsports, you'd save a significant amount.

If I had the time, I'd help you do it in my driveway. But it's a two day job if you do it yourself with jackstands and no lift, impact tools, etc.

John

I really appreciate it. maybe I will work with them on this. I just sold the 92 vert to a guy that i now know drives for Justin. JPC is who worked on my 92 with the new motor. Now they pulled the 306 out and gave it back to me. He knew I had the motor and was looking to sell the blown 306. When the guy that bought my car showed up last night to pick up the motor he told me that Justin was getting it from him for another customers job. I dont understand how he would do a customer that spent about 8-9k with him like that. now the guy that installed the motor in the first place was working for himself but now works in his shop. I think I am going to stop going there, think I got taken both on the sale of the car and the motor work. I will look into woodbine. Where are they located and what is there number. I appreciate all the information. I will need the rear brakes done to I just got a hold of a set of wilwood slotted rotors complete 4 wheel conversion. I think I can do the front in my garage back axles need to come out and dont want to mess with that

Woodbine Motorsports is in Carroll County. Pasadena? Let's see Rt 97 to Rt 32 towards Columbia. Take that to I70 W. Get off on Rt 94 (woodbine road) and go North, oh two miles maybe? Gillis Falls Road, take left, 1/2 mile on right (house with garage, lots of Mustangs and Lightnings on property). Call JJ at 410-259-8737. Telll him John White sent you and you want an estimate on all your work.

http://maps.google.com/?sourceid=navclient&q=1924%20Gillis%20Falls%20Rd,Woodbine,MD%2021797

I'm 10 minutes farther north, by the way...

John

Sweet thanks alot. You have been a wealth of knowledge. I am going to install the predator and jlt CAI this weekend. I may attempt to install the front wilwood brake kit as well as the bassani x pipe that I have right now. I want to have the cash in hand before i order any more parts and worry about install money. I love this car and want to do it right the first time go around. I only really use it for show and want a little go if I need it. I am looking at maybe doing all the supercharger work and headers at the same time.